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Today I talk abit about charging and charge consumption.
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Hi
Today I talk abit about charging and charge consumption.
Enjoy and feel free to comment and subscribe 🙂
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Hi Chris love your videos. I have a uk Niro plug-in Have had it a month now What a great car .
Nice test! Maybe with less power you could reduce the energy loss, though 10-12% is not a big deal.
Great Charging Loss Info: 12% If I'm understanding this:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0360544217303730
properly, transformer loss is greater at lower charging rates, even if lower charging rates are better for the battery.
In a few days I'll be saying goodbye to my Prius of 11 years and taking delivery of regular Niro. Even though I was amazed and pleased that the US taxes still provide a purchase bonus for PHEVs, the actual cost to buy one is less discounted, for actual purchase at dealerships.
I would be very interested to know your actual costs of electric vs gasoline. I'm paying $0.19 per kwh, and $2.04 per US gallon. I doubt if your electricity is that expensive and your gasoline is that low. In deciding to buy the non-PHEV, which gets slightly better MPG, gas prices for me would have to increase to $3.30, even with no charging losses, just to break even.
If you do an episode on cost, please report in liters or be clear if you're referencing US or Imperial gallons. I finally figured out the amazingly good numbers for MPG numbers I sometimes see reported outside the US are due to Imperial gallons which are 20% larger than US gallons.
The fueleconomy.gov web site tells me the PHEV Niro gets 105 MPGe. Unfortunately, even before the 12% after the meter loss, an MPGe costs me $6.40 on my electric bill. Sigh.
https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=39799&id=39616&id=23599
I tried to read the manual about the different charging levels, it doesn't mention it at all! Since I don't have a proper charger in my garage I use the portable charger. Minimum is 8A and uses about 5.5A, reduced is 10A and uses about 8A & Maximum is 12A and uses about 11A. I use the minimum setting in my garage to eliminate the risk overheating the cables, it will charge to full over night anyway. I made a PDF to my Kia dealer since they had no idea how to change the setting for charging. You can find it here: https://1drv.ms/b/s!AmpNwxwng-L2hZxgg3Tnp4kh53ThNA
Btw, I have tried to change the charging levels by pressing the button on the back, nothing happens! Do I have to wait for charging to begin or is it my button that is broken?
Thank you again Chris for your videos, they are great.
BTW for info of others: The shown charging station (EVSE) from Ratio Electric of Holland is a 230V/16A/3.7kW single phase charger and costs in Denmark around USD 800. It can be delivered with different options, e.g. with 5m type 2 charging cable, kWh meter/counter and a blue 230V/16A CEE mains power plug, so that you may install it yourself (if you already have the matching blue CEE 230V/16A power socket, connected straight to your mains power distribution board by a qualified electrician) :-).
Hey Chris, thank you for another informative video. Could you tell me what your electric range is estimated at following a full charge ?
Properly the power loss will increase with less input current, as per the characteristic of the Switch Mode Power Supply, used in the car's on-board charger (and a lot of other electronics), it is properly designed to be most efficient at max. current rating, as also mentioned by another reader in this thread.
So interesting if Chris is making a comparison of using high, medium and low current :-).
In Denmark we have the possibility to rent a 11kW charging station/EVSE, against paying a monthly fee, with free home and public charging, so in that case you would not pay for the power loss of perhaps (360 days x 1 kWh) = 360 kWh loss/year (1kWh costs in Denmark ca. 0.38 USD)? Unfortunately the fixed installation fee for the Clever 11 kW charging station, is very high (12.500 DKK) for that amount you could buy 5.400 kWh!
BTW according to Kia Denmark the on-board Charger will accept max. 14.5 A charging current and not 16 A.
As you say, in the US, you can get an app, and it makes it possible to preheat your car. You are sorry, that this option is not available in Europe. It is certainly because in most places, it is forbidden to have a car standing with the engine running. In most Danish cities, the engine must only run for 1-3 minutes. Preheating of the Niro in the United States goes by starting the engine with the app. It is a very polluting (and expensive) way of heating the car. So, don't be sorry 🙂
2 hours 30 min. charging from 13% to 100% by a 16A charging station is fine :-). However, in the Kia Niro Danish brochure it says approx. 2 hours 15 min. for a 100% charge when using a public 230V/32A charging station? But then it does not indicate how depleted the battery is before charging?
It could be interesting to know other Niro PHEV owners experiences with charging time and power losses (I am still waiting for my car).
Btw, Kia Denmark has also informed a Kia Niro PHEV owner, that the car's max. charging current is 14.5A (3.3kW).
Perfect, thanks….
Regarding the UVO App (from the UK Kia Niro forum):
http://www.kiaownersclub.co.uk/forum/smartphone-app-for-remote-control_topic36384.html
jays 16 Jun 2017 at 10:37am
The answer from Kia UK:
"Our technical team have advised that UVO is designed for use in USA only as is Kia Remoto. There's not currently plans to bring them into Europe for a number of reasons.
The first of these is that the UVO head unit is purely for an American market and includes features that won't function here — such as Sirius XM Satellite Radio.
Secondly, the unit enables several functions such as remote start, that are not strictly legal under certain circumstances (you are not permitted to leave an unattended vehicle on the highway with the engine running for instance).
And finally, the European Head Unit is not manufactured by UVO, but by LG or Mobis, depending upon the vehicle so there will most likely be no software compatibility. "
rep24 16 Jun 2017 at 10:40am
Thanks for the update, disappointed about the remote start but it's understandable, I'd forgotten about the law about an unattended vehicle with the engine running. Guess they don't have that in the US.
what's the price for your charging station in the garage — mounted by an electrician and all in all ?
Where we can buy this charger? or Kia provides it 🙂
Thank you, Chris. You helped me make the decision to buy a Niro PHEV. I think I'm the first in Florida to get one. I am using the 110 charging cable it came with while I wait for the electrician to install the 240 outlet in my garage. Apparently there are no compatible charging stations around me. Keep making videos please as it helps me learn about my car.
I get my my Niro in 3 days, I’m in the UK, do you get 2 charging cables or just the one?
You mentioned in your video at the beginning that the cable in the bag should only be used in emergencies? If that is the case what cable was you using before your charging pod was install at home?
Sorry for all the questions, I’m trying to do all the research I can before Wednesday.
Thank you
hej jeg har købt en kia niro og er meget i tvivl om hvilken ladeløsning jeg skal vælge. jeg kan se den lader du har købt ikke kommer fra eon eller clever . og har også fundet en magen til din men kan ikke finde ud af hvad den løsning kosterkan du oplyse mig om det . bo
My Niro seems to be great for my daily drives. My commute to work is 3 miles and to most errands is 5 miles so I've used no fuel. Charging 2-3 times per week hasn't raised my electric bill that I can tell, but it's just been 1 month. There is a buzzing in the back of the car some evenings after charging it. A cooling fan I assume. But it doesn't do this every time. Does yours do this?
Hi Chris. Thank you for your videos. It helps someone to decide to buy this car or not. But I have questions for you. First: when you are driving Niro PHEV and you stop on crossroad, did you have to push down a brake pedal all the time when you are waitting, because the car has a little moving forward if you do not do it. In other words the car slighly moves forward even if acceleration pedal not pushed down. Do you have such experience?
Second: did you try some apps (if exists) on smartphone to check some status of the car or maybe doing some settings remotely?
Please write some answers this weekend.
Your answers helps me to decide if I would buy or not this car. Thanks advance.
Chris how is the car, Im looking at buying one here in the UK, am I right in thinking in sports mode it charges the battery, I've seen a video in the U. S about this.
Thanks
Max Charge is 3.3kW. So you are correct that 16A cant be fully utilized.
Chris is there a charging etiquette for PHEV's over pure EV's at public charging stations?
Why do you boneheads make this sound sk complicated, when your gas tanks empty yo put in gas, when you need a charge you plug it in !